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Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« on: December 15, 2015, 10:23:15 AM »
Hi!

I have a couple of bikes that I've got my eye on (hoping to view one of them this evening) and wondering if anyone had any thoughts or experience with either?

So far I've completed my CBT, booked in for my theory test on 30th Dec ... Gonna look to do DAS sometime in 2016 but I might need to wait until May to start in earnest. My CBT instructor seemed to think it was worthwhile me getting a 125 in the meantime, so I could work on some of my sticking points (this had kinda been my plan anyway).

Couple of bikes I'm looking at:
Yamaha YBR Custom 125: http://www.cardiffmotorcyclecentre.co.uk/used-bikes/yamaha-ybr-cardiff-201510218029901
Suzuki Marauder 125: https://www.gumtree.com/p/suzuki-motorbikes/suzuki-marauder-125cc-in-red-t-reg-1999-12-months-mot-/1146325825

With everything else the same the difference in insurance is about 120

I'm fairly short and, it being my first bike, I'd quite like to get both feet on the ground. This was possible on the Honda MSX used during my CBT (765 mm), when I tried the YBR (not custom) it was more 'on toes' (780mm).  The YBR Custom is 760mm and the Suzuki Marauder is 680mm ...
I realise this isn't the whole story due to seat width, but I guess I've gotta start somewhere!
Thanks!  :thumbup2
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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2015, 11:54:13 AM »
I've owned both the models you have mentioned.

The YBR 125 Custom was my learner bike. I did 12k miles in the first year. Handled well and had better higher speed handling than the Marauder. I could let it cruise at 55mph without ragging it. Also a smaller turning circle. This is important when you're learning as it's easier to do tighter turns.
It's basically the YBR frame with different wheels, tank, gearing and seat. I liked the little thing, but rode it through a winter and it rusted very fast. the exhaust was naffed within the year. Stock tyres are shocking cheap ass Chinese crap.
Comes with a little rack for a top box, but relatively high exhaust means if you fit panniers they will need to be small or they'll rub and maybe melt on the exhaust.

The 125 Marauder was my wife's learner bike, but I rode it a fair bit when the mood took me or she hadn't been on it in a while and it needed a run.
Much lower seat height, much comfier seat. Lower gearing - great for town riding and much better 2up than the YBR but the rear seat is tiny so not as comfy. The rear seat pad can be removed (3 bolts) for a more custom look.
Paint is good along with the chrome. We didn't get any rust on the bike in 2 years and some winter riding. I did as much cleaning and polishing on the Marauder as I did with the YBR.
Seat height is super low, but a stretched out frame gives it a wide turning circle.
Cruising speed for me was around the 45mph mark.
Stock Metzler tyres give good grip and last well.
Top box racks are expensive and don't look right on the bike. We fitted pannier supports and used my old throw over soft panniers.

Both engines are under stressed, but before 2003 the Marauder had carbs, where later models and the YBR Custom have problem free fuel injection.
I'd trust the GZ125 engine more if you're looking at bike with a few miles- it's been around since the 80's in different bikes and has a reputation for reliability. It also has a sight glass to check the oil level at a glance, where the YBR is a pain to check oil level with the filler cap stick.
The Marauder's seat is removable with the ignition key on the LHS and gives you a handy bit of storage that is easy to access, the YBR needs tools to remove the seat and there is no storage under it.

Overall I liked the handling of the YBR, but the crap quality of the parts used to make it and the poor finish lets it down big time compared to the Marauder. But the Marauder was nearly 3,200 and the YBR was 2,400 and it showed. (at time the Marauder was discontinued in 2012)

Both bikes will need to be looked after if you intend to sell them on as the value is all in the cosmetics with a cruiser style bike. The marauder has spoked wheels that will need polishing and there are lots of nooks that will need cleaning. The YBR is easier to keep clean but will rust so much quicker. My mate's YBR (standard model) is looking tired after a year's commuting, and he was shocked to see my wife's Marauder with less mileage looking mint condition.

If I was buying either model again I'd be going for a Marauder.

The bikes you linked to:
The YBR is far newer but you can see the rust on the front of the exhaust, but from the pics seems fairly tidy. It is from a dealer that will give you some sort of warranty.
The Marauder is 10 years older, carbed bike, far higher mileage, but still seems in good condition for age. But there is only one picture from a private seller. So I'd be wary about buying that particular one.
You can get a much newer bike with fewer miles for the same money. Shop around - MCN had some listed - 2003, 9,000 miles, 995 (Private sale)- 2006, 10,500 miles, 999 (dealer seller) and 2011, 9,300 1695 (dealer seller) but they will be all over the country, most dealer will deliver nation wide for under 100. I also got a bike I bought from a mate in Warwick shipped to Swansea buy a specialist bike transport company for 120.
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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2015, 12:05:11 PM »
Hi - thanks for this information, it's very helpful (think I'll give it a few reads through to make sure it's all sunk in)
What difference does 'carbed' make??

I've mostly been looking at bikes locally, because I don't think I'd feel comfortable buying without viewing first ... Am I being a bit short-sighted here?

In terms of what else is nearby... (on ebay, gumtree, autotrader)

- there's a couple of Honda CBF125 (792mm) for 1.8k-2.3k .. and just saw one on MCN for 1.2k ... worried it might be a bit tall though
- the other YBRs are at least 1.4k (all at dealers, but even the last one I saw listed privately was up for 1.4k ... it's still listed, but sold before I did CBT  Sad )
- Suzuki Intruder (685mm) 1,350
- Suzuki GS125 (1999 year, 745mm) - 575
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2015, 12:22:51 PM »
I did the same as you buying a 125 in the August after I did my CBT and did DAS in April.

The Intruder/Marauder style always seem to sell well and see plenty about but hold their value compared to the not so pretty counter parts. Depends what you want from it but for me I kept it as cheap as possible as knew it was only very short term. 

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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2015, 12:29:09 PM »
The CBF125 is a good solid bike, but as far as seat height/shape is concerned it's more of less the same as the standard YBR.
I've been contemplating one as a commuter to take the stain off my bigger bikes.
http://www.thunderroad.co.uk/usedbikes/honda-cbf125-red.aspx but in Gloucester, but from a dealer I trust -Bought 3 bikes from them. They may ship it to Bridgend/Cwmbran.

The Suzuki Intruder has a v-twin motor and along with the 125 Honda Shadow and the Yam Virago/Dragstar 125 they were the dream 125cc cruisers.
They will have a smoother engine with a little more power than the single cylinders. Cool little things but came with a price tag more than 1000 over the singles cylinder options. But being a far less common bike, will hold their value if looked after and are a bit more sought after. A cool little bike.

The GS125 was and still is a pile of crap. but the engine is the same as the GZ125 and will last if the oil is changed regularly and not ragged. But the chances of that being the case is slim to none.

If you're looking for a good bike that's been looked after a cruiser is the way to go. The standard bikes were bought for and ragged by the kids learning to ride.
I like the fact you're not looking at any of the Chinese junk. They fall apart very quickly. You never see an old Chinese bike.

Charlesy is correct is you're looking to do a DAS fairly soon, but a tidy bike will likely cost you less in maintenance/repairs, and will give you more when the time comes to move on.
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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2015, 01:59:24 PM »
The CBF125 is a good solid bike, but as far as seat height/shape is concerned it's more of less the same as the standard YBR.
I've been contemplating one as a commuter to take the stain off my bigger bikes.
http://www.thunderroad.co.uk/usedbikes/honda-cbf125-red.aspx but in Gloucester, but from a dealer I trust -Bought 3 bikes from them. They may ship it to Bridgend/Cwmbran.

The Suzuki Intruder has a v-twin motor and along with the 125 Honda Shadow and the Yam Virago/Dragstar 125 they were the dream 125cc cruisers.
They will have a smoother engine with a little more power than the single cylinders. Cool little things but came with a price tag more than 1000 over the singles cylinder options. But being a far less common bike, will hold their value if looked after and are a bit more sought after. A cool little bike.

The GS125 was and still is a pile of crap. but the engine is the same as the GZ125 and will last if the oil is changed regularly and not ragged. But the chances of that being the case is slim to none.

If you're looking for a good bike that's been looked after a cruiser is the way to go. The standard bikes were bought for and ragged by the kids learning to ride.
I like the fact you're not looking at any of the Chinese junk. They fall apart very quickly. You never see an old Chinese bike.

Charlesy is correct is you're looking to do a DAS fairly soon, but a tidy bike will likely cost you less in maintenance/repairs, and will give you more when the time comes to move on.


The CBF seat height looks like it's about an inch higher than the YBR, but will try to sit on one if I come across one. Although the Gloucester Thunder Road does also have a YBR that I could take a look at at the same time if I fancy a trek!

Read about the 'Chinese junk' enough on the forums so generally sticking to looking at Yamaha / Honda / Suzuki
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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2015, 02:30:13 PM »
CMC have some nice ce little 125's in there at the moment.
Was looking for one for my daughter.

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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2015, 06:39:12 PM »
So far this evening I've popped into two places hoping to at least sit on the YBR Custom and Honda CBF... I've actually only managed to sit on a KSR Moto Worx 125 (which worked height wise, but it was new and, as far as I gather, should generally be avoided)
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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2015, 10:31:42 PM »
I also struggle with seat height on many of the 125 bikes, my inside leg measurement is 27 inches.  I did my CBT on a Honda CG125 which was a little higher than I would have liked.  The Yamaha 125 is too high for comfort.  Chinese bikes aren't all rubbish and I've ridden a few different ones from AJS, Lifan ans Sinnis a number of which have a very comfortable seat height and I'm able to flat foot comfortably.  It is true that many people wouldn't buy a Chinese bike but people said that Japanese bikes were rubbish when they came on to the market many years ago and a few of the Chinese makes are noiw pretty good (but not all).  One big advantage of Chinese bikes is that they depreciate like a stone and second hand prices are very low when compared to equivalent Japanese bikes.  If you aren't thinking of a long term bike then a cheap second hand 'good' Chinese bike could be viable as you should be able to sell it on again easily after a short while.  If you're looking for something more long term then it would probably be sensible to buy a Japanese bike.

Bridgend Motorcycle Training use a range of Japanese bikes and various Chinese bikes for CBT training some with very low seat heights they often sell off their used bikes to maintain a current stock range, it might be worth giving them a ring and popping over to see them, you should be able to sit on a wide range of different bikes and discuss prices and pros and cons for any you like.

Good luck with the search.

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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2015, 11:38:50 AM »
With just 2000 miles on the clock this may be worth considering
https://www.gumtree.com/p/kawasaki-motorbikes/kawasaki-elliminator-bn125cc/1146750980
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2015, 11:42:44 AM »
Adventure Bikes are like Garlic Bread "I've tasted it,  It's the future".

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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2015, 02:51:27 PM »
may be not perfect  but  as cool looking  as any 125


AJS Raptor 125

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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2015, 12:09:45 PM »
may be not perfect  but  as cool looking  as any 125


AJS Raptor 125

Have you put a new motor in your Harley? :lol2
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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2015, 04:45:16 PM »
But does it ride any better   :dunno 
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Re: Opinions / Thoughts on 125 Motorcycle
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2015, 01:56:33 AM »
no  but  its  faster