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Gulfman

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Re: Filtering......talk to me
« Reply #15 on: September 27, 2017, 09:14:35 PM »
Wow. Thanks to all of you for the answers, very informative.

I enjoy filtering I can almost hear myself sniggering as I slip through.

It's good to hear others riders thoughts on it, alot of it I was already doing or thinking.

In time I'm sure it will be like 2nd nature aslong as I stay alert and switched on while doing it.

Sunny day tomorrow so I'll be out after work in rush hour, more practice on the road filtering ha ha.

@andyccu1 - Jesus I breathed in on that 2nd clip. Tight.

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« Reply #16 on: September 27, 2017, 09:53:23 PM »
Don't do it like this.

No idea who the rider was.
Erm you ??


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« Reply #17 on: September 27, 2017, 10:53:41 PM »
To be fair, that video highlights one of the no go areas in filtering in my view and that is not to continue the filter around a roundabout. (Unless the other vehicles are stationery) If there is one area that people are potentially going to switch lanes unexpectedly, that would be on roundabouts, and the angle of travel may obscure a full view behind in their mirrors!

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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2017, 11:09:41 AM »
There's very little in the Highway Code on filtering:

88 Manoeuvring.  You should be aware of what is behind and to the sides before manoeuvring.  Look behind you, use mirrors if they are fitted.  When in traffic queues look out for pedestrians crossing between vehicles and vehicles emerging from junctions or changing lanes.  Position yourself so that drivers in front can see you in their mirrors.  Additionally when filtering in slow-moving traffic, take care and keep your speed low.  Remember. Observation - Signal - Manoeuvre.

There's two pages of guidance in "Motorcycle Roadcraft"

I did a free course with Andy at First Class Rider Training funded by the Welsh Assembly and Local Council and one of the topics covered was filtering, it's a great course primarily designed to improve the skills of riders, they're still being run and are excellent both for newbies and experienced riders.

This is one of the best examples I've seen of how to filter correctly.  It's a bit long but you don't have to watch it all to get the idea.  Keep within a lane rather than straddle a lane (if you have a mishap one of the first questions asked in court is likely to be what lane were you riding in? stop filtering when the traffic starts to move freely.






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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2017, 04:51:12 PM »
Don't venture into the red cycle area at the front.
£100 fine and 3 points right there!

Read the situation ahead of you.
If one of the lead cars is a performance car, muscle car, or possibly a boy racer in his Shitroen Paxo, position yourself alongside their rear wheel.
If it's gran or gramp in a Volvo, pull up to the line.
If in doubt, stay back.

And never, NEVER pull alongside an arctic truck wheel. If that tyre blows, your in a whole heap of hurt!

I fully agree with you on this , it's almost a verbatim reference to the Bikesafe scenario.
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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2017, 04:57:42 PM »
There's very little in the Highway Code on filtering:

88 Manoeuvring.  You should be aware of what is behind and to the sides before manoeuvring.  Look behind you, use mirrors if they are fitted.  When in traffic queues look out for pedestrians crossing between vehicles and vehicles emerging from junctions or changing lanes.  Position yourself so that drivers in front can see you in their mirrors.  Additionally when filtering in slow-moving traffic, take care and keep your speed low.  Remember. Observation - Signal - Manoeuvre.

There's two pages of guidance in "Motorcycle Roadcraft"

I did a free course with Andy at First Class Rider Training funded by the Welsh Assembly and Local Council and one of the topics covered was filtering, it's a great course primarily designed to improve the skills of riders, they're still being run and are excellent both for newbies and experienced riders.

This is one of the best examples I've seen of how to filter correctly.  It's a bit long but you don't have to watch it all to get the idea.  Keep within a lane rather than straddle a lane (if you have a mishap one of the first questions asked in court is likely to be what lane were you riding in? stop filtering when the traffic starts to move freely.




All very good until he gets to the double white line where he crosses and straddles it numerous times.
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Re: Filtering......talk to me
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2017, 08:27:03 PM »
By definition, if something is neither legal (there is no legislation to permit it), nor illegal (there is no legislation to forbid it), it is lawful to perform that action, provided your actions do not cause you to be in breach of other legislation. Thus, filtering is 'lawful', provided all road signs, laws and markings are obeyed. Not looking for an argument, just pointing out why I used the specific wording that I did.

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« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2017, 09:08:38 PM »





All very good until he gets to the double white line where he crosses and straddles it numerous times.

We can of course cross a solid white line to pass a stationery vehicle, but the vehicles were definitely not stationery where the Police biker crossed the double whites - what a naughty boy - emergency service drivers cannot claim exemptions from crossing solid white lines and can only do so under the same general conditions that any other driver can.

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« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2017, 09:35:05 PM »
I used to ride from Swansea to Cardiff every day and every day would involve filtering at some point.  One night the traffic was on stop from the Bay all along the A4232, I was filtering at about 20mph when I saw the blue lights in the mirror, I pulled over to let the bike past, I went back to filtering behind him, wow blues and twos make it a lot easier! It was amazing, the traffic parted and all was going great until I bottled it and started to drop back from him and the traffic started to close up, I very quickly dropped back to 20mph after cr@ping myself

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« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2017, 11:22:51 PM »
Steve W and wiztaff - I fully agree with your comments, he was doing very well except for that indiscretion.  I had to smile where nearly at the end of the clip two bikers do the classic undertake.

Yoyo - Nice one!  I've driven with a police motorbike escort but the vehicle I was driving really struggled to keep up with him, he'd signal to the traffic at junctions to stop but by the time I reached the junctions they were beginning to wonder why they'd been stopped didn't help that my nah nah had decided to go nah click nah lol :blush

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« Reply #25 on: September 29, 2017, 10:24:29 AM »
In terms of how the civil  courts consider filtering - no more than 15-20mph past queuing traffic (above that they consider it dangerous) and not on the approach to a junction. All the best
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Gulfman

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Re: Filtering......talk to me
« Reply #26 on: September 29, 2017, 08:09:38 PM »
Will I get in any bother if I put some blue flashing lights on my bike? 🎣

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« Reply #27 on: September 29, 2017, 08:25:46 PM »
Funnily enough, I did an event in Surrey today and leaving at 1500 I spent all of my journey from the Leatherhead Junction of the M25 to the junction for the M4 filtering absolutely choc a block traffic queues and again I found myself leading a line of bikers through as drivers were letting me through.

The M4 traffic was atrocious, and as I then passed Junction 7 of the M4 for Slough I became aware of an Ambulance on blues struggling to get through the traffic. I decided to give him a hand and stuck my blues and sirens on ahead of him clearing a path for him to follow. It was at that point that like him, I became invisible, and the siren on my bike is LOUD !

Blind and deaf Bar stewards in their rush to get home, get out of the way !

The ambulance then left at junction 10 for Reading giving me a wave and thumbs up for the assistance.
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« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2017, 08:30:57 PM »
I've got a strobe function on my bike drls. Could use a pritt stick and a couple of Quality Street wrappers if the need arose I suppose.
Is it the coconut wrappers that are blue?
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Re: Filtering......talk to me
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2017, 08:40:37 PM »
I've got a strobe function on my bike drls. Could use a pritt stick and a couple of Quality Street wrappers if the need arose I suppose.
Is it the coconut wrappers that are blue?

I'd have to have yellow lights, I'm not that keen on coconut......